btw. bojovat sa nemusi len na vojnovom poli... ja len cakam kedy konecne hlavny predstavitelia moslimskych krajin a nabozenstva sadnu na rit a povedia svoje stanovisko k terorizmu a zabijaniu v mene Islamu... ale to sa asi nacakam... - este som sa nedockal ani ospravedlnenia za masakry po celom svete odkedy islam funguje

Ani ja som sa este nedockal ospravedlnenia usa za masakry po celom svete a tiez sa ho asi nedockam tak cakame spolu a qua nikto nic nevravi. Na margo odsudenia zabijania nevynich civilistov tak to odsudila fetvou vrchna vecsina nabozenskych vodcou islamu.

JJ, jedna vec su "undeground" teroristi, druha vec je teror a terorizmus, ktory naplna vsetky znaky statneho terorizmu... Idealnymi prikladmi stat. terorizmu su prave krajiny ako USA a Izrael, ktore sa ospravedlnovat zjavne nikomu nechystaju.

psycho napísal:Na margo odsudenia zabijania nevynich civilistov tak to odsudila fetvou vrchna vecsina nabozenskych vodcou islamu.

Chcem fakt...

Neviem co z toho si nepochopil. Ak mas pocit ze to je inak prosim prezentuj sa aj nejko inteligentnejsie ako ja chcem... ja chcem...
k to pomeoze odpoviem jasnejsie
Ty: "ja len cakam kedy konecne hlavny predstavitelia moslimskych krajin a nabozenstva sadnu na rit a povedia svoje stanovisko k terorizmu a zabijaniu v mene Islamu"
Kazdy z nich sedi pravidlene a vecsina z vrchnych vodcov dlho odsudila zabijanie civilistov dokonca aj sam UBL Ak mas namysli nejakych konkretnych "hlavnych predstavitelov moslimskych krajin a nabozenstva" tak prosim. Ladin svoj nazor nieco po roku zmenil a povedal doslova "Nemozeme dalej garantovat ich bezpecnost" ich - civilistov. Necakaj ze sa budu ospravedlnovat kazdy rok pravidelne potom co ich usa ignoruju desatrocia

proti comu chcete bojovat ved je to len vyplod zapadnej mysle stale tu boli len nejako casto sa im menia mena

jednoznačne vravím " áno "

je to veľmi diskutabilná téma a treba sa jej chopiť a tak isto by som bojoval proti rasizmu fašizmu a podobne ...

jednoznačne hovoriš áno? a vies aj preco hovoris ano alebo sa drzis trendov medialnej politiky

ak bude USA bojovat proti terorizmu takto tak dakujem neprosim

http://www.wimp.com/phosphorus/

Ministri spravodlivosti a vnútra EÚ schválili 1. decembra celkovú stratégiu EÚ pre boj s terorizmom.
http://ue.eu.int/ueDocs/cms_Data/docs/p ... /87292.pdf

t0m4s3 napísal:ak bude USA bojovat proti terorizmu takto tak dakujem neprosim

http://www.wimp.com/phosphorus/

uuu To bola nejaka toxicka zbran? Kua naco take veci vymyslaju!!!

Retne napísal:uuu To bola nejaka toxicka zbran? Kua naco take veci vymyslaju!!!

To bol biely fosfor, jeho pouzitie Americania zatlkali kym sa to dalo, no nakoniec sa to prevalilo. Je to nekonvencna a zakazana zbran. Ked uz niekoho obvinuju z pouzivania takychto zbrani tak nech to nerobia samy, lebo tym padom su horsi ako vsetci terroristi sveta.

Rubiki napísal:To bol biely fosfor, jeho pouzitie Americania zatlkali kym sa to dalo, no nakoniec sa to prevalilo. Je to nekonvencna a zakazana zbran. Ked uz niekoho obvinuju z pouzivania takychto zbrani tak nech to nerobia samy, lebo tym padom su horsi ako vsetci terroristi sveta.

JJ, dokonca pouzili aj Mark 77 (zapalnu zbran podobnu napalmu), no US sa brania tym, ze oni prislusne protokoly k Zenevskej konvencii zakazujuce pouzitie chemickych, zapalnych,... zbrani nepodpisali (rovnako odmietaju jurisdikciu Medzinar. sudneho dvora v Haagu). Bohuzial, neexistuje forma, ako z medzinarodnopravneho hladiska sankcionovat US. Cista arogancia moci...

necital som celu diskusiu, hlasoval som NIE. ved to je boj s veternymi mlynmy. Cele USofA je jedna rakovina. Cele tie ich dejiny. Preco USA obsadili Irak v roku 2002(tusim)? Preco to neurobil uz pocas prvej vojny v zalive, ked mali podporu pomaly vsetkych arabskych statov(!)? Preco pocas Iracko- Iranskej vojny podporovali jednu stranu materialne a druhu zasobovali informaciami z druzice? PReco maju US tajne vaznice po celom svete, kam sa clovek dostane a potom uz o nom nikto nevie? Preco pouzivaju take svinstvo ako biely fosfor? Preco pocas Rusko-Afganskej vojny podporovali Bin Ladina? Preco ma Bushova rodina s BinLadenovcami nadstandartne vztahy? NEMATE POCIT ZE USA SI SVOJICH NEPRIATELOV VYTVARA SAMA?

Ja jsem volil ANO,protoze muslimove nenavidi celi svet.Nenavydi USA,Evropu proste celi svet.Jejich decka jsou vychovavane se zbranema a s nenavisti.Jinak jak myslite ze tohle cele zacolo??America???Ne to bylo 11/9 A konecne se naslel nekdo kdo se jim postavil Bush.

Samozrejme, ze treba proti tomu bojovat, len netreba odsudzovat za to moslimov vsetkych a ich koran, lebo ten nekaze nenavid ostatne nabozenstva, zabijaj atd... Inak si to transformuju len fanatici.

Niektore, myslim si, ze zaujimave citaty Usamu Bin Ladena

"We however, differentiate between the western
government and the people of the West. If the people have elected those
governments in the latest elections, it is because they have fallen prey to the
Western media which portray things contrary to what they really are. And
while the slogans raised by those regimes call for humanity, justice, and peace,
the behavior of their governments is completely the opposite."

"The leaders in America and in other countries as well have fallen victim to
Jewish Zionist blackmail. They have mobilized their people against Islam and
against Muslims. These are portrayed in such a manner as to drive people to
rally against them. The truth is that the whole Muslim world is the victim of
international terrorism, engineered by America at the United Nations. We are a
nation whose sacred symbols have been looted and whose wealth and
resources have been plundered. It is normal for us to react against the forces
that invade our land and occupy it ... ."

"We are certain - with the grace of Allah - that we shall prevail over the Jews
and over those fighting with them. Today however, our battle against the
Americans is far greater than our battle was against the Russians. Americans
have committed unprecedented stupidity. They have attacked Islam and its
most significant sacrosanct symbols ... . We anticipate a black future for
America. Instead of remaining United States, it shall end up separated states
and shall have to carry the bodies of its sons back to America."

"European and the American people and some
of the Arabs are under the influence of Jewish media. ..."

Mr. bin Laden, you have issued a fatwah calling on Muslims to kill
Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all
Americans, just the American military, just the Americans in Saudi
Arabia?The Americans started it and retaliation and
punishment should be carried out following the principle of reciprocity,
especially when women and children are involved. Through history, American
has not been known to differentiate between the military and the civilians or
between men and women or adults and children. Those who threw atomic
bombs and used the weapons of mass destruction against Nagasaki and
Hiroshima were the Americans. Can the bombs differentiate between military
and women and infants and children? America has no religion that can deter
her from exterminating whole peoples. Your position against Muslims in
Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe
that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the
Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do
not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are
concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah
is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help
the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims.

Many Americans believe that fighting army to army like what happened
in Afghanistan is heroic for either army. But sending off bombs, killing
civilians like in the World Trade Center is terrorism.... After our victory over the Russians in Afghanistan, the international and the
American mass media conducted fierce campaigns against us ... . They called
us terrorists even before the mujahedeen had committed any act of terrorism
against the real terrorists who are the Americans. On the other hand, we say
that American politics and their religion do not believe in differentiating
between civilians and military, between infants and animals, or among any
human groups. ...
Our mothers and daughters and sons are slaughtered every day with the
approval of America and its support. And, while America blocks the entry of
weapons into Islamic countries, it provides the Israelis with a continuous
supply of arms allowing them thus to kill and massacre more Muslims. Your
religion does not forbid you from committing such acts, so you have no right
to object to any response or retaliation that reciprocates your own actions. But,
and in spite of this, our retaliation is directed primarily against the soldiers
only and against those standing by them. Our religion forbids us from killing
innocent people such as women and children. This, however, does not apply to
women fighters. A woman who puts herself in the same trench with men, gets
what they get. ...

Do you have a message for the American people?We
believe that this administration represents Israel inside America. Take the
sensitive ministries such as the Ministry of Exterior and the Ministry of
Defense and the CIA, you will find that the Jews have the upper hand in them.
They make use of America to further their plans for the world, especially the
Islamic world. American presence in the Gulf provides support to the Jews and
protects their rear. And while millions of Americans are homeless and
destitute and live in abject poverty, their government is busy occupying our
land and building new settlements and helping Israel build new settlements in
the point of departure for our Prophet's midnight journey to the seven heavens.
America throws her own sons in the land of the two Holy Mosques for the
sake of protecting Jewish interests. ...
The American government is leading the country towards hell. ... We say to
the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives
and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic
government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews.


Nezda sa vam ze sa tam stale nieco opakuje?? Laden ma v mnohom pravdu a zapad plati zato ze sa nechal oklamat ZIDOM a je vykonavatelom jeho zaujmou! Samozrejme je to celkovo omnoho komplikovanejsie.

Aryan Angel napísal:Niektore, myslim si, ze zaujimave citaty Usamu Bin Ladena

"We however, differentiate between the western
government and the people of the West. If the people have elected those
governments in the latest elections, it is because they have fallen prey to the
Western media which portray things contrary to what they really are. And
while the slogans raised by those regimes call for humanity, justice, and peace,
the behavior of their governments is completely the opposite."

"The leaders in America and in other countries as well have fallen victim to
Jewish Zionist blackmail. They have mobilized their people against Islam and
against Muslims. These are portrayed in such a manner as to drive people to
rally against them. The truth is that the whole Muslim world is the victim of
international terrorism, engineered by America at the United Nations. We are a
nation whose sacred symbols have been looted and whose wealth and
resources have been plundered. It is normal for us to react against the forces
that invade our land and occupy it ... ."

"We are certain - with the grace of Allah - that we shall prevail over the Jews
and over those fighting with them. Today however, our battle against the
Americans is far greater than our battle was against the Russians. Americans
have committed unprecedented stupidity. They have attacked Islam and its
most significant sacrosanct symbols ... . We anticipate a black future for
America. Instead of remaining United States, it shall end up separated states
and shall have to carry the bodies of its sons back to America."

"European and the American people and some
of the Arabs are under the influence of Jewish media. ..."

Mr. bin Laden, you have issued a fatwah calling on Muslims to kill
Americans where they can, when they can. Is that directed at all
Americans, just the American military, just the Americans in Saudi
Arabia?The Americans started it and retaliation and
punishment should be carried out following the principle of reciprocity,
especially when women and children are involved. Through history, American
has not been known to differentiate between the military and the civilians or
between men and women or adults and children. Those who threw atomic
bombs and used the weapons of mass destruction against Nagasaki and
Hiroshima were the Americans. Can the bombs differentiate between military
and women and infants and children? America has no religion that can deter
her from exterminating whole peoples. Your position against Muslims in
Palestine is despicable and disgraceful. America has no shame. ... We believe
that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the
Americans. Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind. We do
not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are
concerned, they are all targets, and this is what the fatwah says ... . The fatwah
is general (comprehensive) and it includes all those who participate in, or help
the Jewish occupiers in killing Muslims.

Many Americans believe that fighting army to army like what happened
in Afghanistan is heroic for either army. But sending off bombs, killing
civilians like in the World Trade Center is terrorism.... After our victory over the Russians in Afghanistan, the international and the
American mass media conducted fierce campaigns against us ... . They called
us terrorists even before the mujahedeen had committed any act of terrorism
against the real terrorists who are the Americans. On the other hand, we say
that American politics and their religion do not believe in differentiating
between civilians and military, between infants and animals, or among any
human groups. ...
Our mothers and daughters and sons are slaughtered every day with the
approval of America and its support. And, while America blocks the entry of
weapons into Islamic countries, it provides the Israelis with a continuous
supply of arms allowing them thus to kill and massacre more Muslims. Your
religion does not forbid you from committing such acts, so you have no right
to object to any response or retaliation that reciprocates your own actions. But,
and in spite of this, our retaliation is directed primarily against the soldiers
only and against those standing by them. Our religion forbids us from killing
innocent people such as women and children. This, however, does not apply to
women fighters. A woman who puts herself in the same trench with men, gets
what they get. ...

Do you have a message for the American people?We
believe that this administration represents Israel inside America. Take the
sensitive ministries such as the Ministry of Exterior and the Ministry of
Defense and the CIA, you will find that the Jews have the upper hand in them.
They make use of America to further their plans for the world, especially the
Islamic world. American presence in the Gulf provides support to the Jews and
protects their rear. And while millions of Americans are homeless and
destitute and live in abject poverty, their government is busy occupying our
land and building new settlements and helping Israel build new settlements in
the point of departure for our Prophet's midnight journey to the seven heavens.
America throws her own sons in the land of the two Holy Mosques for the
sake of protecting Jewish interests. ...
The American government is leading the country towards hell. ... We say to
the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives
and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic
government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews.


Nezda sa vam ze sa tam stale nieco opakuje?? Laden ma v mnohom pravdu a zapad plati zato ze sa nechal oklamat ZIDOM a je vykonavatelom jeho zaujmou! Samozrejme je to celkovo omnoho komplikovanejsie.

Si myslia ze ked sa zmeni vlada na zapade tak ich budu podporovat... hajzlov jednych... namiesto kupovania vybusnin mohli investovat do potravin a zdravotnictva a nie sa potom vyhovarat na to ze ludia nemaju co jest... Krajina s takymto nerastnym bohatstvom ma urcovat ekonomiku a zivotnu uroven a nie zivorit... ale to je ich kultura...

panter2005 prosimta o com to hovoris?? fakty su jasne - arabi sa odveky nenavidia so zidmi - zidia okupuju ich zem, vytlacaju a zabijaju ich - zapad, najma usa zidov podporuje - ich postoj je jasny a logicky.

okrem toho zapad ovlada ich ropu, nerespektuje ich, atd..

panter2005 napísal:Si myslia ze ked sa zmeni vlada na zapade tak ich budu podporovat... hajzlov jednych... namiesto kupovania vybusnin mohli investovat do potravin a zdravotnictva a nie sa potom vyhovarat na to ze ludia nemaju co jest... Krajina s takymto nerastnym bohatstvom ma urcovat ekonomiku a zivotnu uroven a nie zivorit... ale to je ich kultura...

Svojimi "argumentami" ma cim dalej, tym viac prekvapujes. To co za logiku tu predvadzas prosim ta?! To by sa tebe a tebe podobnym pacilo, aby sa krajiny ako Iran a ich nerastne bohatsvo stali este lahsou koristou pre korporacie ovladajuce USA, ze?! Ked uz si USA poziciavaju biliony $, tiez by ich mohli zainvestovat radsej do vzdelavania svojich obyvatelov, ako do vrazdenia nevinnych ludi (napr.). A tych "hajzlov" si si mohol odpustit (zeby nasledok asimilacie do americkej spolocnosti?).