hughito ak mi spomenieš jeden partizánsky úspech tak ti zatlieskam.
Vieš čo ma udivuje na takých ako si ty a tých ktorí obhajujú stanoviská SNP. Nuž to že ste alibisti. Na Dr. Tisu nadávate, že sám nepostrieľal všetkých nacistov a neotrávil Hitlera jedom keď mal príležitosť, lenže ani jeden z vás alibistov by neurobil ani to čo Dr. Tiso, vy len plieskate táraniny. Neviete navrhnúť iné riešenia patovej situácie Slovenska a ten kameň žlčový komunistický v Tv vyhlasuje že Dr. Tiso sa mal vzdať funkcie keď sa mu niečo nepáčilo. Nuž aby nie pretože to je čisto albistikcý prístup, ktorý sa mne osobne hnusí. Človek ktorý nevie zobrať na svoje plecia zodpovednosť je zbabelec. A taký človek ma bude poučovať o tom čo mal a nemal spraviť Dr. Tiso, pričom sám nemá žiadne riešenia absurdnej situácie, je totiž absurdné tvrdiť že keby Tiso bol odstúpil niečo by sa zmenilo k lepšiemu.
Jediné čo by sa zmenilo je že on by si umyl ruky a zbavil sa zodpovednosti! Umyť si ruky to je prístup Kamenca žlčového a novodobých Pilátov tiež! Ja by som rpepísal kamencovu knihu ktorá má názov tragédia človeka a katolíckeho kňaza a napísal yb som tragédiu jedného človeka alibistu a piláta. Pretože najväčšou tragédiu aká sa stala Slovensku je, že je tu kopec alibistov a zbabelcov, ktorí problémy riešia útekom od zodpovednosti.
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Vieš poviem ti to takto, komunistická propaganda za celé roky slovenského štátu tvrdila, že naši vojaci zbytočne umierali na východnom fronte, preto partizáni začala na našom území likvidovať infraštruktúru, vraždiť a zohavovať kňazov či obyčajných občanov, poslednou kvapkou bolo povraždenie nemeckej diplomatickej misie, ktorú partizáni odzborjili a potom surovo zavraždili. Bolo jasné že Nemci na to nemôžu nezareagovať. Už Dr. Tiso upozorňoval partitzánov aby zbytočne neprovokovali, že to môže mať za následok okupáciu. A ja ti poviem prečo partizáni vraždili, pretože oni potrebovali okupáciu! Oni potrebovali konflikt, potrebovali aby sem prišli Nemci a povraždili tu našu armádu, lebo len tak mohli partizáni získať moc, keďže ľudáci mali v slovenskom národe veĺkú podporu. Bolo treba vyvolať umelý konflikt. Partizáni nemohli štvať proti Tisovi lebo by nemali pdoporu tak ako do 1944 roku nemali, museli si nájsť iného nepriateľa, proti ktorému by Slováci vyšli do boja. A keby tu boli Nemci Slováci by si nenechali obsadiť krajinu ale išli by sa okupantom postaviť na odpor. Takto to pratizáni všetko zorganizovali.
Teda Partizáni vyvolali agresiu Nemecka a proti obrovskej sile nemeckej armády poslali ako svine na bitúnok slovenských vojakov! To je niečo odporné! Teraz už komunistom zrazu nevadilo koľko mužov, koľko vojakov slovenskej armády padne a za čo ? Za hovno! Pretože Celé SNP bolo o Hovne. Bolo potlačné a vyžiadalo si množstvo ľudských životov. Výsledok povstania bol nasledovný, zo Slovenska Nemci vyviezli ďalších 14 000 židov ktorým nepomohli už ani prezidentské výnimky. Na Slovensko sa presunuli najťažšie boje medzi ZSSR a Nemeckom. Straty na štátnom majeňtku boli okolo 114 až 140 miliárd. Zradca Karvaš roky presúval obrovskú časť slovenského majetku na krvavé povstanie namiesto toho aby pomohol občanom od chudoby.
Čo malo SNP za význbam? Hlavný hrdinovia SNP Golian a Viest po potlačení povstania chceli zdrhnúť na liedadle do ZSSR, lietadlo im však vlastní vojaci podpálili.
http://beo.sk/historia/117-slovenske-na ... bny-rozbor
NA záver len dodám že je škoda obrovského množtva slovenských životov, ktoré vyhasli v povstaní a udalostiach po ňom, je hrozné čo sa stalo a na obete treba s úctou spomínať, boli to slovenskí vojaci a hoci boli zneužití na odporné intrigy čechoslovákov a komunistov a boli poslaní na smrť, zaslúžia si našu úctu tak ako si ju zaslúži každý slovenský občan a vojak ktorý s dobrým úmyslom bránil svoju vlasť.
Pre mňa je nepochopiteľné že dnes niekto bitúnok oslavuje ako povstanie. To nebolo povstanie to bolo pohrebisko slovenského národa.
//autoeditácia príspevku ( 12 Sep 2009, 23:46 )
První dni pobytu na Slovensku! Něco neuvěřitelného. Kdekdo poslouchá londýnský a moskevský rozhlas. Volný nákup bez omezení - a všechno na trhu. Byla to vskutku vizitková republika s osobní svobodou z dob hlubokého míru, pokud ovšem někdo příliš hlasitě nedával najevo svůj nesouhlas se současným uspořádaním věcí.
Český odbojár Vladimír Žikeš (1943)
//autoeditácia príspevku ( 13 Sep 2009, 17:11 )
Veľmi zaujímavé čítanie o Tisovej onej reči v Holíči za ktorú je obviňovaný z antisemitských prejavov.
vi). THE SPEECH AT HOLIC
There is a passage from a speech made by Tiso at Holic on August 15th
1942
that is produced as 'proof' that he hated Jews. It was reported:
'As regards the Jewish question, people ask if what we do is
Christian and humane. I ask that too: is it Christian if the Slovaks
want to rid themselves of their eternal enemies the Jews? Love for
oneself is God's command, and this love makes it imperative for
me to remove anything harming me'. [A version of this extract
giving its date as the 28th
and reading: 'and His love' instead of
'and this love', is in error].
This one paragraph from one speech is produced out of context from a period
lasting six years. It is then set forth as if it proved that Tiso wished to send all
Jews to their deaths. But the timing of this speech needs to be carefully noted.
As recorded in section v of this chapter, the Holy See informed Tiso in July
1942 that it was coming to believe the astounding rumours that genocide was
being practised on the whole Jewish race. In September Tiso stopped all
movement of Jews to Poland. The Holic speech was made between these dates,
so we need to carefully consider what was happening between these dates. To
stop co-operating with the German 'resettlement' plan would involve the risk of
provoking a German invasion and the establishment of a Nazi regime. Tiso was
willing to take this risk in September because by then knew that genocide was
taking place, but in July he was not yet sure that the reports were true. In
August three things occurred:
(1).......Tiso insisted that a top ranking German officer visited
Berlin to obtain permission for an inspection team to visit the new
Jewish Homeland. ((MSDJ 12)).
(2).......'From the end of July to the middle of September the
transports were suspended due to various "technical difficulties"'
((EJ vol. 5 pages 1196-7)).
(3).......Tiso spoke at Holic.
Attempts had to be made to allay any German suspicion that the, 'technical
difficulties' were not genuine. It was at this precise juncture that Tiso included
in his Holic speech a show of determination to send all Jews from the country.
30 It must be remembered that German agents reported back to Berlin every word
Tiso spoke. The Germans suspected Tiso of being pro-Jewish. From documents
in Hitler's 'Sicherheitsdienst' we read such statements regarding Tiso as:
'Totally under Jewish and Catholic influence'; 'inimical to Germans and a hater
of the Germans'; 'For ideological reasons determined with all possible means to
paralyse German influence in Slovakia'. ((UGD)).
We know that the non-Nazi German Minister in Slovakia, Hans Elard Ludin,
advised Tiso to publicly speak up against the Jews so as to counter the
information being sent by the agents to Berlin ((UGD)).
In this scenario the passage in Tiso's speech falls into place. Within a few days
the German officer returned from Berlin without the permission for a team to
visit Poland. Tiso then, at the risk of provoking his political overthrow,
officially stopped all movement of Jews to Poland. Such action taken within a
couple of weeks of his Holic speech clearly indicates that the words he used
were part of a bluff to deceive the Germans.
The Germans knew that the Jewish Community was held responsible for
helping the Hungarian attempts, during previous generations, to destroy Slovak
culture ((EJ vol. 5 page 1193)). They also knew that since 1918 many Jews had
co-operated with the Czechs to achieve the same objective ((AXS 88)), and had
become part of the Czech establishment ((EJ vol. 5 page 1193)). So Tiso's use
of the words, 'eternal enemies' and his desire to, 'remove anything harming'
Slovakia, would have added authenticity to his bluff.
Dr. Imrich Karvas, a Lutheran freemason opposed to Slovak autonomy and thus
not having any sympathy with Tiso's religious and political beliefs, was present
at the speech and testified at Tiso's 'trial' in 1947. He said: "I doubt that from
this could be deduced his support or agreement with the deportation action. As
I knew him, I consider this with him as absolutely impossible”. ((PSN 61)).
The writer of a section in a reference book states that Tiso in August 1942 at
Holic justified deportations as: 'for the good of the Slovak nation, to free it of
its pests'. To give such a false translation indicates that the writer was too
blinded by his hatred of Tiso's politics to check his sources or consider the
context of the speech.
Kto vie po anglicky, stojí za to si celé dielo prečítať volá sa Fr. Tiso Slovakia and Hitler, od Denisa Bartona, stačí dať do googlu.
A toto je ešte zaujímavejšie
CHAPTER IX
FR. TISO'S TRIAL
Tiso refused a Soviet proposal to become President of a Slovak Soviet Republic
((LGN 34)), so retreated into Germany hoping to obtain assistance from
Cardinal Faulhaber ((AXS 96)). But he fell into American hands ((FV 60)) and
was handed to the Czechoslovak Communist dominated government. He was
put before a Court of Communists, pro-Communists and Centralist Slovaks. He
was not permitted to choose his own defence counsel, but witnesses were
permitted to be heard. The Communist Party was calling for the death penalty
((FV 64)) and the President of the Court and two out of the three prosecuting
judges were Communists ((FV 72)). 
