hughito napísal:To akože chceš tvrdiť, že v Nórsku a Rakúsku nie je kapitalizmus ? Zase si nemýľme isté sociálne prvky v štáte so socializmom ako štátnym zriadením.

beardie napísal:http://blog.etrend.sk/michal-lehuta/200 ... porovnani/

I had sincere hope that our Russian friends will answer first... but somewhat they are quiet… So, a few facts for start...
Below is the list of "goodies" supplied to soviet Russia by USA - excluding personal presents from Winston on behalf of UK.

Aircraft.............................14,795
Tanks.................................7,056
Jeeps................................51,503
Trucks..............................375,883
Motorcycles..........................35,170
Tractors..............................8,071
Guns..................................8,218
Machine guns........................131,633
Explosives..........................345,735 tons
Building equipment valued.......$10,910,000
Railroad freight cars................11,155
Locomotives...........................1,981
Cargo ships..............................90
Submarine hunters.......................105
Torpedo boats...........................197
Ship engines..........................7,784
Food supplies.....................4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment.......$1,078,965,000
Noniron metals......................802,000 tons
Petroleum products................2,670,000 tons
Chemicals...........................842,000 tons
Cotton..........................106,893,000 tons
Leather..............................49,860 tons
Tires.............................3,786,000
Army boots.......................15,417,000 pairs

List from Wikipedia is somewhat skewed. I think that instead of "guns" it should be "artillery pieces". Also "machine guns" looks suspicious an probably includes machine guns of all types + submachine guns.

The list doesn't include "a little bit" sent by Great Britain. I don't have right now the full list of presents from Winston; (it is somwhere on a hard disc, but I cannot find it - I'll keep looking as time permit.), below is very incomplete summary of major supplies. You can du some mathematic.

"To sum up the results of the lend-lease program as a whole, the Soviet Union received, over the war years, 21,795 planes, 12,056 tanks, 4,158 armored personnel carriers, 7,570 tractor trucks, 8,000 antiaircraft and 5,000 antitank guns, 132,000 machine-guns, 472 million artillery shells, 9,351 transceivers customized to Soviet-made fighter planes, 2.8 million tons of petroleum products, 102 ocean-going dry cargo vessels, 29 tankers, 23 sea tugboats and icebreakers, 433 combat ships and gunboats, as well as mobile bridges, railroad equipment, aircraft radar equipment, and many other items."

http://www.oilru.com/or/23/390/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

http://www.o5m6.de/

My comment to this list is simple. Do you know how many locomotives were produced in USSR between 22 of June 1941 and end of July 1945?

THE ANSWER IS "TWENTY" - just like that - 20. YES! - Two + Zero!

All soviet locomotive plants were converted and busily churning out T-34s and SUs. During Cold War all traces of Lend Lease and after UNRRA help were meticulously sanitized and removed; photos of soviet soldiers riding Shermans, Universal Carriers or manning AAA guns were excluded from books and never appeared in magazines. Students could learn about Lend Lease in two sentences in their textbooks.

P3Bo napísal:este dlho mi hughito vŕtalo v hlave ako ťa mám presvedčiť že USA by samo Nemecko porazilo. Teraz to skúsim inou cestou. Sovietsky zväz by bez USA Nemecko neporazil ....
Odporúčam ti túto knižku o tom ako sa USA za akých podmienok plavilo na pomoc Rusákom. Síce sa tam o materiále nedozvieš ale cesta je epická : )

ešte aj UK pomáhalo sovietskemu zväzu aby to zvládol
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/a ... /index.htm

a úplny vrchol je že vo svidníku máme Li-2 Douglas C-47 Dakotu ktorá je sovietskym lietadlom
Rusáci by to proste nezvládli

Koniec OT : )

Nikto nespočítal, koľko párov vojenskej obuvi dodal Hitlerovi terajší národný hrdina Baťa.

Pravda o pomoci Západu ZSSR v II. svetovej vojne Buržoázna propaganda systematicky goebbelsovskou technikou deformuje a „prerába“ históriu pre súčasnú potrebu dravého a vojny chtivého kapitálu.

V roku 1922 odišiel vlastník spoločnosti W.A.Harriman & Co. - Averel Harriman (neskorší guvernér a prezidentský kandidát), do Berlína, kde sa dohodol s hlavným sponzorom Adolfa Hitlera Fritzom Thyssenom na založení Thyssenovej banky v New Yorku. V roku 1924 začala Harrimanova banka Union Banking Corp. na Manhattane spravovať nemecké fondy, ktoré prichádzali prostredníctvom Thyssenom vlastnenej nacistickej banky Bank voor Handel en Scheepvart (BHS) v holandskom Rotterdame. Fondy boli určené na nákup amerického tovaru. V Harrimanovej banke boli tieto transakcie označované ako Projekt Hitler.

Tie kolaboračné vlády, ktoré sa zapojili do vojny proti ZSSR a komunizmu, byli buržoázne. Ich následníci sa spojili do NATO a pripravujú novú výpravu proti Rusku s cieľom dobyť pre seba jeho suroviny.

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